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Frontbox and a/c 
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Beitrag Frontbox and a/c
Hi,

Recently I acquired a frontbox (obviously LHD) for my 1997 MGF VVC.
After a bit of cleaning and prepping, it doesn't seem to fit as nicely as expected .... actually I didn't got it to fit at all.
(I removed the plastic shroud panel for the test fit). It just don't go as low as it should be. It looks like part of the airco is blocking it.

Can someone confirm they have fitted the frontbox on an MGF with airco (A/C) ?

Best regards,


Do 1. Sep 2016, 14:45
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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Yes, I can confirm this for an LHD MGTF with A/C, it fits. But the box is seating on the dryer cartridge (or on its lead). You can protect the dryer assembly f.e. with a little styrofoam (I do so).

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Do 1. Sep 2016, 14:55
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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Thank you for the confirmation.

Are there any limitations regarding spare wheels and width ?


Fr 2. Sep 2016, 19:33
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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Erik, if you solved the problem that Peter described with the a/c ...
I've sqeezed in a 15" rim with 185/55R15 tyre (No a/c in mine). Wider tyre or 16" is impossible.

btw. take care with the wash jets... I'd recommend to glue a piece of rubber (10mm high) near the LH wash jet so it doesn't get pushed out from the frontbox cover. Heated wash jets are impossible though.

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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
FYI
Bild

pictures and original instruction sheet
http://mgfcar.de/stau_box/index.html

wherein .. the instruction paper is not quite clear regarding the cut out section in No. 2
You need to remove much more material from the bonnet cover than shown on paper.
Also the rubber blocks on No. 4 are fine but add another on near the LH wash jet.

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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
What is the purpose of these rubber blocks? I recently bought a storage box that I intend to fit into my green MGF (with A/C), but those blocks didn´t come with the box.

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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
They prevent the washer jet on the drivers side from getting pushed out of the front lid and the other one holds down the box cover about in the center.

See the instruction sheet that's linked to the above web side.

Standard supplies with the box were the instruction sheet and two hard foam blocks, but the shown location where to fit them is shown poorly in that instruction sheet. So put one behind the driver side wash jet and the other one to the lid frame.

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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Thanks for the clarification, Dieter. Unfortunately I do not have these rubber numbers because I bought a used box. Anybody out there, who can help meet out?

But I can confirm, that the box fits perfectly. Even with a/c.

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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Matthias_S hat geschrieben:
…. Anybody out there, who can help meet out?
….

Maybe my suggestion is helpful. I would buy a piece of foam insulation like this with a suitable inner diameter. Every DIY-market should have them. Then cut off a ring of e.g. 2 cm length and glue it around the washer jet. If the jet is still pushed up, take a longer piece. You should have enough of it, since they sell them with an standard length of 1 meter. :)

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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Sounds good. Thank you, Reinheit. I´ll have a look at it and report.

But so far I didn´t recognize the washer jet to be pushed out. Maybe I haven´t driven enough with the box in the front compartment.

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Mo 12. Sep 2016, 12:33
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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
... at any time you'll fill the box to a very high level or woun't refit it into the right position cause of beeing in a hurry .. 8-)

Then it will happen ... :lol: :angel:

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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
So this will probably never happen to me ;) I bought the box primarily because it is quite rare and fills in the empty space under the front lid. And to avoid butter to melt when I take the F to the grocery store :mrgreen:

Nevertheless, I will fit rubber blocs in one way or another.

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Mo 12. Sep 2016, 15:28
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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
I just want to mention,

yesterday I ordered a frontbox from Cowacarparts.

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anz ... 0-223-1195

His supplier is reproducing these "rare" boxes in a rate of 3 per month.

I will give a report if I get the part. Delivery/production time 3 weeks.


Di 6. Jun 2017, 21:33
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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Today I received the box from the Cowacarparts. Just in the promised time and quality. Thank him alot.

I just want to share some impressions of the box:

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It seems so the part is made out of the Material "PUR" with a tool from April - August 1996.
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One last question. Can someone show a picture how much to cut out of the front trim to fit this box?

I have an ordenary 185er Spare Tire.


Di 27. Jun 2017, 21:41
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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Tomcatciller hat geschrieben:
One last question. Can someone show a picture how much to cut out of the front trim to fit this box?



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or
read the 5th posting in this tread, priceless. :up:

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Di 27. Jun 2017, 23:22
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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Tomcatciller hat geschrieben:
Today I
with a tool from April - August 1996.

:shock:
no, production date August 1996, adding on dot more, September, and another dot, October, .....

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Mi 28. Jun 2017, 00:12
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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Well, I think my sentence and questions are still correct. ;)

My box was produced with a tool from August 1996,you are right. But I wrote "with a tool from April - August 1996".

So the tool was used for 5 months and is 21 years old. This was my message. I care more about the question of tooling then the part, because I wonder how Cowacarparts Supplier can reproduce this boxes.

First I thought this is a some kind of reconstruction, now we know someone has the old tools and reproduce these boxes to OEM Spec. Similarity is quite safe.

According to my question for a picture of the cut front trim:

Of cause I read Dieters Webpage and found the installation picture there:

http://mgfcar.de/stau_box/frontbox.html

But in this thread I also read the sentence in Post N0 5:

Dieter hat geschrieben:
You need to remove much more material from the bonnet cover than shown on paper.

So my question is directly regarding "remove much more material". I cannot find a clear picture of that, so I asked.

Despite this I added the Information that I use a random 185er spare tire.

Cowacarparts write and shows in his ebay offer that this box will fit with bigger spare wheel/Tires (205/215).

But Dieter wrote:
Dieter hat geschrieben:
Wider tyre or 16" is impossible.

So the question of the extend of cutting of the front trim is valid and not content of Dieters Webpage. (imho)


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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
To me, it looks likee the cover of the box was manufactured using the original tool - the box itself might be not. I guess you'll just have to get there by trial an error (the tire-thingy as well...). The important thing is, to keep the windscreen-wiper-motor save from rain. And yes, you'll have to cut out quite a lot there...

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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
I fitted the box today.

First cut of the front trim I tried according to the OEM installation manual:
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And for the first try very good, it fits.
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But its seems to be not very even. Battery side sits a bit lower. Due to that fact of poor build quality or heavy loading there is a gap:
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Beitrag Re: Frontbox and a/c
Check the lower seam where the box should rest in the spare wheel space.
The seam of the box should go behind the metal part... direction cabin.

Is it ?

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